24fps and standard DVD player

[Mazinger]

Will I be able to watch 24 fps in a standard dvd player ( and a standard dvd movie) in my new 120Hz 1080p LCD tv ????
Eventually will be getting a Blu ray but I dont know if my old standard DVD movies can be watched at 24fps in a new player as well..
Thanks...

Mazinger

[MrBoylan]

Will I be able to watch 24 fps in a standard dvd player ( and a standard dvd movie) in my new 120Hz 1080p LCD tv ????
Eventually will be getting a Blu ray but I dont know if my old standard DVD movies can be watched at 24fps in a new player as well..
Thanks...

Mazinger

Few DVD players have 24p out and fewer still TVs have the ability to switch into a native 24p mode from a 60Hz source (the Pioneer Kuros being one notable exception). It's unlikely that your TV offers a 24p native more for non-24p sources.

But some Blu-ray players do have a 24p mode for DVDs, including the OPPO BDP-83, Panasonic DMP-BD60, BD65, BD80 and BD85. On the OPPO I think you set it once globally. On the Panasonic players, you need to enable 24P mode for each DVD. It stays enabled for Blu-ray Discs, but for DVDs, you have to turn it on during playback - they did this because a non-24P DVD will look like crap in 24p output mode so it's easier for the user to understand what happened if they just hit the menu option for 24p and see a degradation of motion reproduction.

For Blu-rays, frame rate is in the meta data, so the players automatically switch out of 24p mode when the content requires it.
But just because your TV has 120 Hz processing and supports 1080p/24 input, this doesn't mean it has a "native" 24p mode. Many 120 Hz TVs internally convert 24p input to 60Hz then double that for 120 Hz. If you post your make/model number, we might be able to tell you whether your TV offers native 24p support without conversion to 60 Hz.

-CB

[Mazinger]

Few DVD players have 24p out and fewer still TVs have the ability to switch into a native 24p mode from a 60Hz source (the Pioneer Kuros being one notable exception). It's unlikely that your TV offers a 24p native more for non-24p sources.

But some Blu-ray players do have a 24p mode for DVDs, including the OPPO BDP-83, Panasonic DMP-BD60, BD65, BD80 and BD85. On the OPPO I think you set it noce globally. On the Panasonic players, you need to enable 24P mode for each DVD. It stays enabled for Blu-ray Discs, but for DVDs, you have to turn it on during playback - they dod this because a non-24P DVD will look like crap in 24p output mode so it's easier for the user to understand what happened if they just hit the menu option for 24p and see a degradation of motion reproduction.

For Blu-rays, frame rate is in the meta data, so the players automatically switch out of 24p mode when the content requires it.
But just because your TV has 120 Hz processing and supports 1080p/24 input, this doesn't mean it has a "native" 24p mode. Many 120 Hz TVs internally convert 24p input to 60Hz then double that for 120 Hz. If you post your make/model number, we might be able to tell you whether your TV offers native 24p support without conversion to 60 Hz.

-CB

My tv is a 42 inch LG 42LH40 and I'm planning to buy a second set ( 46 inch Sharp LC46SB57UN which is selling on Amazon for $880.)
Also, I'm going to get a Panasonic BD-80 or BD-85 player.
How this set up would work with new blu ray movies and also with standard DVD movies??...I've heard the 24fps film is a really nice experience, I can't afford a more expensive TV right now so I appreciate any input.

Thanks again

[Mazinger]

Forgot to ask you in you opinion what is the best lcd set ( 40-42 inch ) under $900.. ??...That's really what I can afford at this time...Dont want to get a plasma since my second set will be in a very well lit living room and I tend to like LCD better...

Grazie

[MrBoylan]

My tv is a 42 inch LG 42LH40 and I'm planning to buy a second set ( 46 inch Sharp LC46SB57UN which is selling on Amazon for $880.)
Also, I'm going to get a Panasonic BD-80 or BD-85 player.
How this set up would work with new blu ray movies and also with standard DVD movies??...I've heard the 24fps film is a really nice experience, I can't afford a more expensive TV right now so I appreciate any input.

Thanks again

I haven't reviewed that specific LG set but as I mentioned in another thread today, the LG TVs should support a 24P input in native mode (no motion interpolation) by setting True Motion OFF but leaving Real Cinema ON. In terms of the Blu-ray player, I would hold out for the BD85 over the BD80 so you can get Netflix streaming (might want it someday if not now).

If you buy that Sharp TV (or the Panasonic Blu-ray player, for that matter), don't forget to use our BPBS affiliate links. Keep our site and forum up and running!

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-CB

[MrBoylan]

Forgot to ask you in you opinion what is the best lcd set ( 40-42 inch ) under $900.. ??...That's really what I can afford at this time...Dont want to get a plasma since my second set will be in a very well lit living room and I tend to like LCD better...

Grazie

This is really a moving target. My first choice for image quality in that price range would be a plasma, but you said you don't want one of those. But with sales and closeouts and end of the model year offers, the "best LCD TV under $900" changes every week if not every day.

Go with a reputable brand -- Panasonic, LG, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba, or even VIZIO -- and make sure it has the features you need. Read pro reviews online if you can find them and buy it from a legit dealer who won't give you a hassle if you get a bad one or it gets damaged in shipping. Amazon is great when there are problems and their enhanced delivery service (free) is also great as they will take it out of the box and plug it in to make sure it works before they leave.

You can get some really outstanding deals on Amazon right now for the 2009 model Samsungs. Example, a 46-inch B650 series LCD 120 Hz 1080p is only $1049.99 with shipping! A little above your price range but an excellent LCD set for the money. Here's the link:

LN46B650: $1049.99 shipped

Samsung sells many of Samsung's TVs below the "MAP" price (minimum advertised price) which is why you won't see the price until the last step of the checkout. But it's worth a few clicks to save a few hundred bucks!

What you can do is browse a few of the sets, put them all in your cart and go through the checkout process until you see the prices. Then just delete the ones you don't want from your cart and keep the one your do and check out. Here's a link to Samsung 40-49 inch TVs on Amazon - the "B" series models are 2009 ("C" series are 2010):

Samsung LCD and Plasma TVs, 40-49 inches

Good luck!

-Chris

[Mazinger]

Please explain how this link work to support your site, am I required to buy only the amazon deal??.. What happens if I access amazon from this link but end up buying another tv? ... I followed this link and found a very good deal in a "used- very good" condition unit sold by amazon, does this help you out as well??
Let me know

thanks

[MrBoylan]

Please explain how this link work to support your site, am I required to buy only the amazon deal??.. What happens if I access amazon from this link but end up buying another tv? ... I followed this link and found a very good deal in a "used- very good" condition unit sold by amazon, does this help you out as well??
Let me know

thanks

Hi,

As long as you click through from any of the amazon links we post here in the forum or on that online shopping page to Amazon or one of our other affiliate partners, then put something in your cart, BPBS will get a commission when you buy the item. Can be a TV, some lingerie for the wife or a box of energy bars (Amazon sells everything!). And yes, we'd get credit whether it's offered by amazon proper or one of their marketplace sellers.

I would be wary of buying something used on Amazon though, particularly a television. Amazon doesn't sell used items directly so you'd be dealing with a 3rd party marketplace seller who is simply using Amazon to post his used equipment (not unlike eBay). Shipping will be extra and you'd get no warranty coverage for something like this. You also get little or no recourse if there is a problem with the purchase. At least check the seller's feedback and make sure he or she is legit before you pay for anything.

Good luck,

-CB

[Mazinger]

Yup!!! Done deal.. I just called and cancelled the purchase I made yesterday (LG lcd), I didn't realize this samsung has 24 months no interest and free shipping if I buy it new, I have to wait about 3-4 days for the money to go back to my amazon credit card...
Will be using this link in a few days..
I"ll let you know how it goes..
Thanks a lot


Ps . Does this tv support a native 24p mode????... I already got the Panasonic dmp-bd85.... Good match I guess

[MrBoylan]

Yup!!! Done deal.. I just called and cancelled the purchase I made yesterday (LG lcd), I didn't realize this samsung has 24 months no interest and free shipping if I buy it new, I have to wait about 3-4 days for the money to go back to my amazon credit card...
Will be using this link in a few days..
I"ll let you know how it goes..
Thanks a lot


Ps . Does this tv support a native 24p mode????... I already got the Panasonic dmp-bd85.... Good match I guess

Yes, this set, like most of the higher performance Samsungs in the last two years, offers independent settings for "blur reduction" and "judder reduction." If you set "judder reduction" to 0, then you will not get the motion interpolation, but it will still preserve the 24 p frame rate and get the blur reduction benefits of 120 Hz.

It's nice that Samsung offers these as separate settings so you can experiment with them and go with whichever combination of settings you prefer.

Good luck!

-CB